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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand

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and he looked in his eyes and he said

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welcome to podcast ufo please remember

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gmt our first live show on december 4th

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will be featuring a rare guest kobe

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landrum i talked about that last week

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show but i wanted to save that for our

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first live show

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but you will not be disappointed by the

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guest this week

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she's a fascinating woman her name is

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nancy talbot

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of the blt research team for a little

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research team's primary focus is crop

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circle research

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including the discovery scientific

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of physical changes induced in plants

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soils and other materials that crop

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circle sites by energy or energy systems

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responsible for creating them and to

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the specific nature

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and source of these energies secondly

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research results in peer-reviewed

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scientific journals

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lectures mainstream articles and

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the live show due to his scheduling

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i'm hoping to have him on as a guest and

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joining me sam and i will discuss a

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lately in the ufo phenomena and he's

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so sam how you doing pretty good now you

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live because i already have three guests

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have listened to shows with you can you

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say hi and who you are

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oh sure most definitely my name's sam

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moronto of course as you

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got it right some people abuse that and

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come up with all sorts of

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things but uh you know uh i think i'll

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interesting perspective and uh both of

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add something to the mix my background

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and researching the phenomena that found

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me before i found

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it i had my first sighting in 1959 of an

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anomalous

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object and uh i gave my first

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1967. wow i i forgot all about the 1967

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1967 i gave my first presentation my

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father came home in 1964 with a couple

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magazine were from some amateur

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astronomers who seen something in the

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sky along with my father

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experience

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magazine but they gave me the adventure

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of a lifetime

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so sam will be talking in a couple weeks

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on the show and thanks so much it's a

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it's going to be a real pleasure we'll

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have a lot of fun

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music on the show is by kerry lloyd

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whitehouse stay tuned for my interview

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i'm with nancy talbot in cambridge

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thank you for uh meeting up with me

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that's my delight i'm sorry it took so

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long to get together

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two because today we're gonna talk

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mostly about the science

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of crop circles can you first of all

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just quickly say your background and how

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you got into this

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the part of my background that's that

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has anything to do actually with the blt

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research team

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which is this group that we formed to

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study the crop circles from the

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scientific

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point of view was that i worked as a

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research analyst and a research

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assistant

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uh first at the university of maryland

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years ago and then up here at harvard

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once i'd moved to cambridge and so i

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am familiar with scientific methodology

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and in fact i designed and implemented a

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number of studies when i was at harvard

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in the department of uh

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anthropology so it was not that i was

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with how science proceeds what the

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and it's important for people to

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remember it is simply it is a method

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and it's the most successful method that

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mankind has yet devised to understand

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our physical reality and and when you're

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studying crop circles

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people forget that there are

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many different ways to approach it my

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thought was originally when i first

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became aware of them back in

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my immediate thought was oh my goodness

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they're physical

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you know there's this thing sitting in

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the field you've got plants you've got

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soils you've got little bugs

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you know animals that could live in the

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field all of these things

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that would give you some way to ins

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to utilize the scientific method

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in trying to understand what was causing

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intuitively i felt that they were not

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mechanically flattened by people but i

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didn't know

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started looking at the plants

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and immediately noticed a few things

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i realized weren't normal while i was in

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england that first time

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i heard that there was a biophysicist

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here in the states in michigan

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a guy named william levingood who had

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already contacted pat delgado

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one of the very the original you know

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crop circle investigators and uh was

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getting some plant samples from pat

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taken from some of these british crop

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circles

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was any scientist

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uh any credentialed scientist who was

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willing to actually

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investigate this sort of thing because

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so i came back from england immediately

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knocked on leavenwood's door in a my

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name's nancy

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and i heard about you and what i wanted

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was not only to meet him

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i wanted to see his lab i wanted to see

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the methods he i wanted to observe what

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he was doing

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to see whether or not it was what i

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expected it should be

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not that i'm any great authority but i

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had seen an awful lot of science by this

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so he invited me in with i think a

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little surprise

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and did show me his lab and immediately

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began showing me exactly what he was

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he had started off using the microscope

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to examine

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the tissues at certain points on the

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plant stem

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but quickly began to realize that

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these very stretched uh cell wall pits

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in the tissues at the nodes in

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uh were indicative of some sort of

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exposure to heat

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probably microwave radiation and he very

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quickly started to realize that

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elongated nodes stretched nodes

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uh were being found mostly

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in the upper the apical which is the top

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node just below the c dead it's the

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first node beneath the seat head

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and he was finding consistently that

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those nodes were

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moderately too massively elongated

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as compared to the control samples which

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were coming from the same fields but

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outside the crop circle you see

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i could tell you know from all the data

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in his logbooks

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that he was taking massive numbers of

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this was not one or two plants it was

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hundreds of plants

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he needed he was not old but he was

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getting up there in years at this time

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that he needed somebody to help organize

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and i had a lot of i had a history of

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doing that sort of thing so

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i started to organize um people who

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would report the crop circles to us all

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around the world in all the different

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countries where they occur

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and set up this elaborate fieldwork

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protocol

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which all of them were then instructed

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as to how to carry out

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and so people the idea was that i would

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help

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gather the samples and i did so in a

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very random matter

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manner i would choose every fifth or

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every third or every tenth or whatever i

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heard about

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deliberately trying to avoid any sort of

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bias

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i also utilized professional

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agricultural reps i would hire them in

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the fields to do this work

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truck drivers phds everything in between

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again attempting to totally randomize

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any attitudes or opinions that the

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people taking the samples might have and

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then of course they had a protocol they

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had to follow

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every so many feet they had to take

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samples and every so many feet they had

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to take controls

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or we didn't look at it so the every

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effort was made to see to it that every

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all the material that came out of the

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fields

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was properly sampled and properly then

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hung up to drive it came from overseas

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labeled properly etc and shipped

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about just before we started that part

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john burke who is the b

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in blt uh i'm the t and levin good of

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course is the

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l uh john burke from new york had

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contacted levin good

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because he also had become aware of the

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circles and he was fascinated

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and he had a strong background in

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electromagnetic theory

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and had some ideas himself about what he

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thought might be going

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on and so for many years then

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10 12 years we sampled

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crop circles all over the world i think

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during the first 10 years it was maybe

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seven or eight different countries now

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it's up to about 18.

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and during that time we discovered that

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not only was this apical

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node elongation this top node stretching

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absolutely typical prep it was prevalent

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in the genuine crop circles

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we started to discover other things

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expulsion cavities holes blown down

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blown out the nodes both of those

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changes caused

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by exposure of the plants to extremely

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brief

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but very intense bursts of heat

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and the only kind of heat that we could

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think of that could do this

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because it was what it was doing was was

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going to the moisture

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inside the plant stem turning that

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moisture to steam

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the steam in order to escape on the top

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of the plant the plants are very elastic

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the external fibers are

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young they're much more elastic than

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farther down the plant stem

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and so they they stretch to let the

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steam out

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that's why we were getting the elongated

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nodes at the top

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farther down the plant stem the external

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fibers are very tough

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they don't stretch when the steam builds

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up what happens the same thing is when

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you stick an egg in your microwave

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and leave it on for too long it explodes

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uh so we were aware then that whatever

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was causing the genuine crop circles

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involved at least one of these energies

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had to be heat

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probably microwaves then we subsequently

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11good discovered that there were

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growth abnormalities depending on

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when the crop circle occurred the age

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of the plants at the time the crop

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circle occurred

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the seeds would show totally different

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growth characteristics abnormal growth

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characteristics

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if the crop circles occur in young

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immature plants

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where the seed is not fully formed these

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seeds will

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weigh less they're dehydrated they look

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terrible and by and large they will not

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germinate

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in other words those plants have been

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effectively sterilized

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wow however when you take

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seeds from a formation that occurs in

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the end toward the end of the growing

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season

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in the northern hemisphere this is late

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july and august

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the seeds again although fully formed

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if they've been on a crop circle they'll

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be dehydrated they'll be wrinkled the

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endosperm is wrinkled they look

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they don't look too good but those seeds

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consistently grow

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their growth rate has changed and they

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grow at up to five times the rate of

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normal

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they do it without water or sunlight for

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long periods of time

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and they produce greater yield really

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it's almost like gmo from aliens it's

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like a massive improvement over gmo

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because there is absolutely no effect on

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the environment

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there's no harm to the creatures the

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critters

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it doesn't pollute anything and

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it turns out leavenwood and burke then

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spent several years

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trying to replicate that effect and they

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in fact did

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and they built a machine that delivered

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these electrical pulses

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which levingwood called ion avalanches

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very brief pulses of these ion

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avalanches

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to all different types of seeds took

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quite a while to figure out exactly

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how intense and how long because all the

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seeds required different

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degrees in different lengths of time but

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they were

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able to replicate it they got a patent

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they built the machine

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and tried like crazy john burke did

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to get the seed companies

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to take this on board but the seed

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companies had already invested

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monsanto and things like that had

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invested billions of dollars

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in in genetic genetic modification

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i mean we were getting up to a 35

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increase in yield doing nothing

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but exposing the seeds to this mir

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machine as eleven good call it molecular

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impulse response

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and for people that want the details

453
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about this the blt website

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is just blt.com w www.bltresearch.com

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and under plant abnormalities you will

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see the patent number

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and the reference to the website they

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set up

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talking about this invention what it did

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all the studies done by other

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universities

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that replicate what their work was

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but none of the seed companies not only

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were they not interested they didn't

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want anybody to know about this

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yeah well monsanto's monsters anyway

467
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well this is a very inexpensive machine

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to build

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the farmers themselves now are

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contacting me and some of them are

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starting to try to build it

472
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because it is not rocket science and

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if in fact there's a co-op down in

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indiana now

475
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trying to get this built and it would

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release them

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from their indebtedness to monsanto

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forever

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because if they can get the same sort of

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increased yield

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remember also you don't need fertilizer

482
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you don't need pesticides

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the plants are growing so much faster

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than the pests

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which have evolved to feed on plants

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that by the time the pest is evolved the

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00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:07,039
plant is way past that stage you see

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so you don't need any fertilizer you

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don't need any pesticides

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and you get this increased yield it's a

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much better system

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but it's simple and it's you're not

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going to make a lot of money with it

494
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,360
you would think that it would be real

495
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big money in something like that

496
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why the machine is easy to build it's

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inexpensive you simply make them and

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sell the machines

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no i mean if someone would want to get

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an increased yield in all this

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in their crops so they buy the machine

502
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doesn't cost much to buy

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to build i mean if you're if your only

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goal in life is to make money

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i'm sure that you could make money from

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it but

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i'm just looking at the way monsanto

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looks at things they saw that they

509
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,039
couldn't they saw they couldn't make

510
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they make the bulk of their income from

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the pesticides

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from the fertilizers all this other

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stuff they sell that you've got to have

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if you're going to use monsanto

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and all that yeah that's where they make

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the bulk of their income

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wow and they don't want a machine that

518
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you give one burst to the seeds

519
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takes 10 minutes maybe 15 minutes and

520
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then the seeds do the same damn thing

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that their

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gmo seeds do i'm surprised i didn't try

523
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to buy the patent now

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uh i don't know john was john was not

525
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:17,200
sure

526
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because that's exactly what it looked

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like they were going to try and do

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but he did go all over the world with

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00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:24,080
this and there are many studies that

530
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,880
back it up

531
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back up what leaven good and burke are

532
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:28,080
saying which i've

533
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you know i've referenced that on the

534
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website on under plan abnormalities

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00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:34,400
so in addition to that we also started

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to discover

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00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:36,799
there are a number of other plant

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changes which clearly

539
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,679
cannot be related to mechanical

540
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flattening

541
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of the plants in crop circles obviously

542
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,000
some

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00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,960
crop circles are mechanically created

544
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:50,240
can we just talk about that just a

545
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little bit because

546
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,039
it's not worth wasting your listeners

547
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,120
time it's quite clear

548
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,360
that some people do make crop circles

549
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,120
yeah big deal

550
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,360
okay that is not the genuine phenomenon

551
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,120
there is so much evidence

552
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,159
that the public has not heard about the

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00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,960
genuine

554
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,880
yeah you owe it to your public to let

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00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,400
them hear that evidence

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00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,120
sure but let me just say this part can

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you yourself when you instantly see a

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00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,400
crop circle tell whether no

559
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,640
nobody can okay so you have that's why

560
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,760
you have the science

561
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,320
you have to go in and examine it

562
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,159
basically the only way i know

563
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,400
to tell the difference between a

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man-made

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00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,919
mechanically flattened crop circle and

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one that happens in some other way

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00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:35,360
is by doing the science that's the point

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00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,480
of it yeah

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00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:39,039
and it's not all that hard to do uh it

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00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,240
does take time

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and we're hoping that we keep hoping

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that more work because we have there's

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additional new work being done

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that we can eventually come up with some

575
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,320
indicator that is easy

576
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,720
at this point there are only two visual

577
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,760
signs

578
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,240
that are scientifically backed up these

579
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:58,159
are published in our three peer-reviewed

580
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
papers

581
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,200
and the first is the apical node

582
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,799
elongation

583
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,120
that top node being stretched and the

584
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,960
second is the presence of expulsion

585
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,919
cavities

586
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,400
the holes blown out farther down those

587
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,080
two things you can see with your naked

588
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,200
eyes all of these other things that

589
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,440
there are many other changes require

590
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,000
laboratory work to determine

591
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,520
and so not all genuine crop circles have

592
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,000
expulsion cavities it only happens in

593
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,280
some cases

594
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,600
and it seems to be related to the amount

595
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,640
of moisture inside the plant stem

596
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,720
in other words when they're green

597
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,640
there's much more likely to happen in

598
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:37,760
young crop

599
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:41,280
than an old dry crop and it also seems

600
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:42,400
to have something to do with the

601
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,000
intensity of the microwave component

602
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,799
of this energy system this energy system

603
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,039
is not one energy it's we now we know

604
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,880
it's microwave radiation

605
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:54,960
or something that's acting just like it

606
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,760
it's also these very unusual electrical

607
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,960
pulses and then we found down quite by

608
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,720
accident as happens all the time you

609
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,320
know in science

610
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,200
that strong magnetic fields are also

611
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:08,480
involved

612
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:11,840
we discovered this uh in 1993

613
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:14,960
with our first recovery of

614
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,400
uh meteoritic well with iron magnetized

615
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,000
iron spheres

616
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,400
which are microscopic you can't see them

617
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:24,159
but when we do our soil work we

618
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,280
extract them and then under the

619
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:27,440
microscope you can see them perfect

620
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,400
spheres

621
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,360
magnetized like crazy stick together

622
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,360
like a chain of pearls you know

623
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,440
and they're deposited inside the crop

624
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,280
circles and not outside

625
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,280
i believe you showed images of this at

626
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:41,840
the conference in north carolina

627
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,480
i probably did i remember seeing that i

628
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:45,919
probably did yeah

629
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,279
now those three energies are now

630
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,720
established as being involved in the

631
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,679
genuine crop circle creation process

632
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,039
microwave radiation

633
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,039
unusual electrical pulses and strong

634
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:00,960
magnetic fields

635
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:04,400
levingood being a physicist immediately

636
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:04,880
jumps

637
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,919
to well okay what is known

638
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:10,960
in the science literature at the moment

639
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:14,640
that has those those uh

640
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,200
characteristics and a plasma

641
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:22,080
a rotating plasma spiraling plasma

642
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:23,120
system

643
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,720
in fact emits microwaves

644
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,480
is known to have these highly unusual

645
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:30,880
electrical pulses associated with it

646
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,400
and is strongly magnetic and so

647
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,600
he began to develop an idea based on his

648
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,120
results

649
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,120
not on some other idea but on the

650
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,720
physical data

651
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,279
that indicated to him that some sort of

652
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,400
a spiraling plasma system

653
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,799
had to be involved in the creation of

654
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:51,840
the genuine

655
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,679
the real mccoy now we know

656
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,880
that only recently well we've known

657
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,440
about

658
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,559
um well lightning bolts everybody knows

659
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,919
that's a plasma discharge course

660
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,520
everybody knows they exist

661
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,600
the northern lights are a much more

662
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,799
moderate

663
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,000
much lower energy uh plasma discharge

664
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,080
everybody knows that they exist

665
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,880
but science has only recently discovered

666
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,360
what

667
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,840
pilots have known for years something

668
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,600
called blue jets

669
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,960
sprites elves these are all

670
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,960
plasma discharges in the upper

671
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,000
atmosphere

672
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,000
that science didn't know about until

673
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,799
they finally got photographs

674
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,600
after dozens or hundreds perhaps of of

675
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,480
pilots

676
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,279
who fly at that atmosphere level have

677
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,960
been seeing these things for years

678
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,240
would that be anything like the foo

679
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,919
fighters that they talked about no

680
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,279
nothing totally different things it's a

681
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,640
totally different thing

682
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,799
so what leaving good's rationale here

683
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:49,760
was

684
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,799
that being as as a scientist he

685
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,440
knew very well that sprites and elves

686
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,640
and blue jets

687
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,840
and numerous other electrical phenomena

688
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,919
which had not yet been discovered by

689
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,880
science

690
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,520
did exist because there were starting to

691
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,919
be actual reports made you know

692
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,320
he knew that it was he felt that it was

693
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,279
possible

694
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,240
that some other as yet unknown type of

695
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:16,240
plasma discharge

696
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,440
could be causing the crop formations

697
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,480
uh it's important here to point out that

698
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:25,520
he did not mean

699
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,720
a single plasma levin good's concept was

700
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,320
that multiple

701
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,880
interacting plasma systems were

702
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,919
responsible

703
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:36,559
and that because if you imagine let's

704
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,279
say

705
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,320
a clear plastic beach ball and inside

706
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,679
that beach ball you've got

707
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:44,000
softballs and tennis balls and rubber

708
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:44,720
balls

709
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,080
you can imagine

710
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,400
inside this great big clear one and

711
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,120
they're all

712
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,960
electrically charged and interacting

713
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:55,919
with each other and moving constantly

714
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,320
and you have this entire thing the big

715
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,000
clear beach ball

716
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,320
coming down spiraling as it comes down

717
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,000
towards the earth's surface

718
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:07,440
with all of these other uh plasma

719
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,000
systems

720
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,799
smaller ones inside of it constantly

721
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,720
interacting and moving relative to

722
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,039
each other when that thing hits the

723
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,559
ground the surface of

724
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,679
the crop you could this could explain a

725
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,159
wide array of the designs

726
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,159
which are actually then reported and

727
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,600
found in the fields

728
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,399
because if it hits at an angle or if the

729
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,000
the tennis ball and the softball have

730
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:32,159
moved relative to each other inside the

731
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:32,799
thing

732
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,159
you could get half circle shapes

733
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,399
you could get elongated strings you

734
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,080
could get all sorts of

735
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,799
designs which are very common in the

736
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,000
actual crop circles themselves

737
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,679
now most of the crop circle enthusiasts

738
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,679
are unaware of the sophistication of

739
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,200
this concept

740
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,039
and they don't understand it it's what

741
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,559
it boils down to

742
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,960
and they can't imagine that nature in

743
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,760
fact

744
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,799
can produce completely unguided

745
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,600
incredibly complex design well if you

746
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,200
think for just a second

747
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,520
you know you think about snowflakes or

748
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,880
you think about

749
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:13,919
nautilus shell

750
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,440
or flowers or any other thing design is

751
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,799
everywhere in nature

752
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:21,840
naturally extremely sophisticated

753
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,360
very complex and very elegant design

754
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:28,000
is everywhere you look in nature there's

755
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:28,480
math

756
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,559
precision in in

757
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,600
how the designs are appear

758
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,760
now we don't notice it very much because

759
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,200
most of us live in cities

760
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,640
anymore and it's just not something that

761
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,399
most people pay much attention to they

762
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:48,159
see a tree and they don't think anything

763
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,360
they see a flower and they're used to

764
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,960
seeing flowers they see snowflakes and

765
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,600
they don't

766
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,600
but the fact of the matter is that

767
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:54,640
nature

768
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:58,559
completely unaided by any other factor

769
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,240
does always produce design

770
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,720
many times it's very complex it's very

771
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,600
intricate

772
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,679
and it also has them as you say a

773
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,919
mathematical component

774
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:12,399
now there's one other aspect to the

775
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:12,960
circle

776
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,159
thing which needs to be mentioned

777
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,480
this is a theory that leavengood has

778
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:20,000
published that we have published

779
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,840
in our three papers uh 1994 1995 and

780
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,520
1999 three different papers

781
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:30,000
it is only a theory it's an apotheon

782
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:31,279
hypothesis

783
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:34,960
based on the data recovered

784
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:38,159
with levin good's work this doesn't mean

785
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:39,440
that it's the final

786
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,559
answer it is an intelligent rational

787
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,039
theory based on his findings

788
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,679
it is not necessarily the final answer

789
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,600
and there is another possibility let's

790
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,440
say that levin good is correct

791
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,159
that a plasma or multiple interacting

792
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,200
plasmas

793
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,480
are in fact involved

794
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,320
think just for a minute about well could

795
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,799
they be being generated

796
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,559
perhaps these are not spontaneously

797
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,559
occurring plasma systems

798
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,760
perhaps they are not only generated but

799
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:12,000
then directed

800
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,440
and then you get to a much bigger

801
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,240
question well okay if that's the case

802
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,559
who's generating them who's directing

803
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,880
them and why

804
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,120
which you know science cannot deal with

805
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,399
that aspect of it

806
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,880
what science can do is tell you what the

807
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,080
physical changes are

808
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,799
what they are consistent with and then

809
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,039
pose some of these larger questions

810
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,840
which get more into the realm of

811
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,159
consciousness

812
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,520
now there is one major study in the crop

813
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,480
circle work

814
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,159
in addition to all of the work that we

815
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,919
accomplished when leavengood and burke

816
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,320
and i worked together

817
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,360
toward the end of that time period

818
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,120
lawrence rockefeller contacted me

819
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,279
because he'd heard about our papers

820
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,919
and he wanted to be brought up to date

821
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,200
and so i went to new york

822
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,200
and gave him an overview of the work

823
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,440
that we had done what we found so far

824
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,799
and he offered to fund another

825
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,960
some more work and i wrote up some

826
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,399
proposals and he picked

827
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:11,279
one in particular and that is this clay

828
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,840
mineral

829
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,760
x-ray diffraction study that we then

830
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,200
carried out

831
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,880
in this study it's the most

832
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,360
comprehensive and the most complete work

833
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,320
that we have so far that anybody has so

834
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,480
on the scientific aspect of the crop

835
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,600
circles

836
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,320
uh levin good did what he always does in

837
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,919
this particular study he did the plant

838
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,039
work

839
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,640
but i hired totally independently

840
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,200
uh the x-ray diffraction expert who

841
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,480
simply did the x-ray diffraction work

842
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,519
i then hired a statistician uh

843
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,399
who did nothing but the statistics and i

844
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:48,240
was lucky enough to have the help of

845
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,720
robert

846
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,679
c reynolds jr head of the department of

847
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,519
earth sciences at dartmouth

848
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,200
and the world's leading authority the

849
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,200
acknowledged leading authority

850
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,120
on clay mineralogy and the x-ray

851
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:00,799
diffraction technique

852
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,960
and he agreed to interpret our results

853
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,120
none of these men except for 11g had

854
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,120
ever even heard of a crop circle

855
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:12,000
they didn't even know what they were and

856
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,880
none of them knew

857
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,039
each other nor did they know love and

858
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,200
good that's actually good isn't it

859
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,640
so we have here as strong uh

860
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,360
a statement about this there could be no

861
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,120
experimental bias here

862
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,039
because three of the guys involved never

863
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,640
even heard of prop circles

864
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,799
none of the people knew each other and

865
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:32,159
each person only did

866
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,919
their own work the circle that we

867
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:38,159
sampled for this particular event for

868
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,120
this study

869
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,679
happened to be in canada and we picked

870
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,360
it because the

871
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,360
soils were of a type that we could work

872
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,559
with easily

873
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:49,600
i had very competent field personnel

874
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,200
in near this particular place we had uh

875
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,519
a willing farmer which is always very

876
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,120
important

877
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,399
it was close enough so that we could

878
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,200
afford to do it all to get the plants

879
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,880
from europe to do this

880
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,640
would have cost more than our budget you

881
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:06,080
know allowed

882
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,919
and the results when when dr reynolds of

883
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:11,039
dartmouth

884
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:15,039
saw our results he at first was so as

885
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,000
stunned

886
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,120
he said oh no there must be some mistake

887
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,679
this can't possibly be so we have never

888
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,519
seen this sort of change

889
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,799
we were looking at the crystalline

890
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,600
structure of very specific clays

891
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:30,240
in the surface soils of these crop

892
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,360
circles

893
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,440
the theory was that if heat would affect

894
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,600
the plants it might also affect

895
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,360
some of these clay minerals clay

896
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,720
minerals are known to be

897
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,679
affected by heat readily and so that's

898
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,080
why we had chosen these clay minerals

899
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,039
the normal way that you see a change in

900
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,640
the crystalline structure of these

901
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,519
clays is when you have sedimentary

902
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,039
deposits

903
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,159
and mountains pressing down on them over

904
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,399
hundreds or thousands of years

905
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,720
and it's the pressure from the weight of

906
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,000
the mountain

907
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,399
and the heat from the earth's core in

908
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,600
combination over

909
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,480
long periods of time that causes the

910
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,399
change in the crystalline structure in

911
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,159
nature

912
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,240
it had never been seen in surface soil

913
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,399
before ever wow

914
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,320
and here we had these results that said

915
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,440
it was there

916
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,440
so his first remark to me was no this

917
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,280
can't possibly be

918
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,760
let me see i want to see the mounts he

919
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,200
means the samples

920
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,200
so i had the x-ray diffraction guy send

921
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,520
the mounts to dr reynolds at dartmouth

922
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,679
and he redid the work the xrd work on

923
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,520
his own machine at dartmouth

924
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,280
and he got exactly the same answers we'd

925
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,599
gotten so then he thought well the

926
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,679
statistics can't be right

927
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,280
and so he redid the statistics himself

928
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:47,040
and got exactly the same result we'd

929
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,800
gotten he then had

930
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,119
several other ideas because he was an

931
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,960
expert in clay mineralogy

932
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,440
as to what might be an answer he asked

933
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,040
us to carry on some few some more

934
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:58,720
studies which we did

935
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:02,480
they were all negative and so as a final

936
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,160
upshot what he finally decided was

937
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,400
that we had to be dealing because we did

938
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,680
have a change in the crystalline

939
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,280
structure of these clays

940
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,520
because it had never been seen before in

941
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,040
surface soil

942
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,760
because it would take a geologic

943
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,640
pressure

944
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,160
that's mountains pressing down on

945
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,160
sediments for thousands of years

946
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,640
it would take either that or heat he

947
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,839
said maybe in

948
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,800
the six to 800 degrees celsius range for

949
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,800
a period of hours

950
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,520
to cause this wow well if there had been

951
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,200
geologic pressure

952
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,040
or that kind of heat what would have

953
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,560
happened to the plants

954
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:40,480
that have been incinerated and fried and

955
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,599
yeah gone

956
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,720
yeah and that was not the case based on

957
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,000
these facts he said

958
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:48,480
then we must be dealing with an energy

959
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,520
unknown to science

960
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:52,560
wow and that's exactly what he said and

961
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,200
furthermore

962
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,400
his wife told me he was he was modest in

963
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:58,480
his comments with me as most academics

964
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,359
are

965
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,640
he's and what he said

966
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,040
but his wife told me that when he first

967
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,960
did the statistics again

968
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,280
and realized that they were correct he

969
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,760
was on the telephone talking to his son

970
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:14,640
who is apparently also a geologist and

971
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:14,960
he

972
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,000
i didn't know i

973
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,680
the depth that a person with his

974
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,640
background

975
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:33,200
of course would recognize now has this

976
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,160
sampled

977
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,720
has this similar sample have been pulled

978
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,160
out of other crop circles

979
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,680
we've never had the money to do the

980
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,440
entire study again

981
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:44,400
i see that study was 120 000 bucks was

982
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,280
it really wow

983
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,960
one of the times we were going to meet

984
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,599
up um you had to go because it was a

985
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,520
sort of a local crop circle can you talk

986
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:53,359
about that not sort of it was in

987
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,079
massachusetts

988
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,440
that's local that's unusual

989
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:00,079
yes it is unusual they don't uh we don't

990
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,040
get very many

991
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,160
of them here on the in the northeast and

992
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,560
i got a call from western massachusetts

993
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,560
that there had been a circle

994
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,359
and so i had to go and and get some

995
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:13,280
field workers out there and start to get

996
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,839
some

997
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:17,040
information this particular one

998
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,880
is highly anomalous it is not a standard

999
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,320
crop circle

1000
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,320
although it is it's in corn it's in

1001
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:25,680
maize

1002
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,119
and it is an ellipse

1003
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,000
with what looks like a cross going

1004
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,079
through it

1005
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,760
pathways off to the left and the right

1006
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:37,680
and the north and the south you know

1007
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,839
i mean north south east and west and

1008
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,079
in maize i mean this is full grown field

1009
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,480
corn this is 14 foot tall

1010
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,520
corn you don't knock over field corn

1011
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,000
ease any kind of corn easily i mean not

1012
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,839
once it's grown to any height you know

1013
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440
the stalks are an inch thick they're

1014
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,520
very they're very sturdy

1015
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:00,079
uh but in this case what's we haven't

1016
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,440
got the work all done yet we're

1017
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,480
still in process it turns out that in

1018
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:07,119
this case there are eyewitnesses

1019
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,640
to a flying cross ufo

1020
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,599
directly in in that exact area in fact

1021
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,599
precisely over the field one witness

1022
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,720
says

1023
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,560
just before this circle was found it was

1024
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,000
found at harvest

1025
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:24,480
it's a corn is grown on very flat land

1026
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,200
usually

1027
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,440
and you can't see a crop circle in corn

1028
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,960
if it's if it's been there

1029
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,640
and you simply can't see it just from

1030
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,640
overhead only yeah exactly

1031
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,400
and so they didn't find it the farmer

1032
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,240
found it at harvest

1033
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,560
and then when we started interviewing

1034
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,320
the local people then the people who

1035
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,160
live right near that field

1036
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,240
we discovered one eyewitness to this

1037
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,359
flying cross

1038
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,400
ufo thing directly over the field

1039
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,280
just before the circle was found and

1040
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,520
then we found we found two more now

1041
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,680
and there may be others because we're

1042
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,200
having to do some exhaustive

1043
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,560
interviewing

1044
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:01,520
with various people out there and from

1045
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,480
looking at the circle itself

1046
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,480
i had the feeling that it may have been

1047
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:07,920
there for a while

1048
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,040
before it was discovered uh

1049
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,440
and the lay of it was not typical it was

1050
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,720
not like we have seen

1051
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,400
what what we normally see in crop

1052
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:17,760
circles there have been

1053
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,520
several uh circles in maize in holland

1054
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:24,240
this summer also and they are

1055
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:25,280
magnificent

1056
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,560
mean you can't believe this fluffy soft

1057
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:31,599
lay

1058
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,400
in stuff that is 12 feet 13 14 feet tall

1059
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,640
and yet it swirled around just like

1060
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:40,320
wheat plants would be or grass or

1061
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,359
whatever

1062
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,040
but this thing in uh western

1063
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,040
massachusetts is not like that

1064
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,560
and it looks to me like from

1065
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,160
various things that i'm hearing that

1066
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,440
this thing is maybe going to end up

1067
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,200
being ufo related

1068
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,400
and there are a number of cases more and

1069
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,000
more cases actually

1070
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:01,359
that we're beginning to realize

1071
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,839
certainly appear to be the direct result

1072
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,400
of the presence of what for better lack

1073
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,760
of a better term you'd have to call a

1074
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,720
ufo

1075
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,240
i mean something up in the air flying

1076
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,480
that you don't know what it is

1077
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,720
and in a number of these cases these

1078
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:18,480
things are

1079
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:21,839
in the same design of the circle

1080
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,440
that has been found on the ground wow um

1081
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,520
and more on that later there's there's

1082
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,599
an awful there's a growing amount of

1083
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:30,720
evidence

1084
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,880
that suggests that at least some ufos

1085
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,720
because it now i understand it's not

1086
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,560
they're just one kind of ufo

1087
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,839
there are apparently a whole bunch of

1088
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:42,079
different kinds and it may be

1089
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,839
that some ufos in fact actually make

1090
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,920
some crop circles maybe they're

1091
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,000
generating the plasma systems

1092
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,560
which then impact the crop in particular

1093
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,200
designs i don't know

1094
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,680
there are many many witnesses i myself

1095
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,040
being one

1096
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,440
to crop circles in fact i'm the only

1097
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,520
crop circle researcher

1098
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,319
who has actually seen not just one but

1099
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,920
two crop circles form

1100
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,480
in front of my eyes wow and i thought

1101
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:12,079
that was really very special i was kind

1102
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:12,880
of grateful

1103
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,400
can we talk about it sure the first one

1104
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:18,400
and this kind of gets us into this realm

1105
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,200
of

1106
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,520
the fact that there's more going on

1107
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,319
apparently

1108
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,520
than a simple plasma discharge

1109
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,520
i would not i expect frankly that we

1110
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:29,359
will eventually understand that whatever

1111
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,839
is doing it is utilizing plasma

1112
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,599
but where that's emanating from

1113
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,280
i think that's a pretty big question at

1114
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,319
this point in 2001

1115
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,319
many many years ago i learned about a

1116
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,240
young man in holland his name is robert

1117
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,520
vandenbroek

1118
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:48,079
who is the only person that turns out in

1119
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,200
the world

1120
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,000
who has known since he was 14 and he's

1121
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,760
now 33

1122
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,880
every year he knows exactly when and

1123
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,240
exactly where

1124
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,280
in which fields in his area the crop

1125
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,119
circles are going to happen

1126
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,960
and not only that he often knows exactly

1127
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,040
what they're going to look like

1128
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:10,480
he's witnessed well over 100 circles

1129
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,359
form

1130
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,480
now with his eyes i mean sometimes

1131
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:16,400
seeing things very seldom seeing things

1132
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,720
he

1133
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,680
actually identifies as ufos much more

1134
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,040
frequently

1135
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:23,520
seeing what he calls light phenomena

1136
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,480
light balls

1137
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,240
of one type or another different shapes

1138
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,160
different colors different sizes

1139
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,520
but what he calls lights not ufos and

1140
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,800
he's very clear

1141
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,119
but there have been a few and with

1142
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:36,800
increasing numbers

1143
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:39,920
that he and not just he now alone

1144
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,040
he and me and some others have seen

1145
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,079
where there seems to be uh what again

1146
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,599
for lack of a better return i had to

1147
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,599
call ufo was involved

1148
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,880
so in 2001 i was with him as i usually

1149
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,160
am in the summer

1150
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,480
and we were doing an experiment for dr

1151
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,920
william roll that year with

1152
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,599
magnetometers

1153
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,520
we were mapping the the fields in which

1154
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,359
the crop circles had occurred

1155
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,000
to see if we could find any geomagnetic

1156
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,359
or electromagnetic

1157
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,920
aberration in those fields that might

1158
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,000
help us explain what was going on

1159
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,160
and we'd worked for weeks dragging this

1160
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,160
equipment all over the place

1161
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,920
and i was i was tired and i was

1162
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,079
disgusted because unless i was standing

1163
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,760
directly underneath

1164
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,880
cross-country electric pylons that's the

1165
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,440
only time i'd get a strange reading

1166
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,200
and on none of these crop circles in

1167
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,280
holland that year and in this huge field

1168
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,119
out behind robert's home

1169
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,119
where circles appear regularly i

1170
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,560
couldn't find a thing

1171
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,880
so i was disgusted and we came in one

1172
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:40,000
night this is towards the end

1173
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,040
of my stay and i was tired and

1174
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,319
just disgusted and sick and tired of

1175
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,160
studying i mean we worked so hard for so

1176
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,280
many years

1177
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,440
and i robert wanted to go back out in

1178
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,040
the circles and take photos because he

1179
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,720
gets really weird photos out in these

1180
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,599
circles

1181
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,760
and for him it was just fun you know and

1182
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,040
i was so annoyed i

1183
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,760
i just said no i am sick and tired of

1184
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,960
this phenomenon

1185
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:07,040
it's too hard to study why in the hell

1186
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,560
can it be more direct

1187
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,119
i'm going to go to bed and so i went

1188
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,560
upstairs and i was staying

1189
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,640
in what was robert's bedroom that year

1190
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,480
at the back of the house he was staying

1191
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,920
in one of the other rooms

1192
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,560
and he stayed down in the kitchen now

1193
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,319
both of these rooms face

1194
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:25,359
this big field that's right outside the

1195
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:25,839
back

1196
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,359
in the bedroom there's a little balcony

1197
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,520
with door floor to ceiling glass doors

1198
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,160
that open out onto the balcony which i

1199
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,560
had wide open because it was so hot

1200
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,480
and i got into my nightgown and got into

1201
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,800
bed and the bed faces right out these

1202
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,760
windows

1203
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,119
and i was going to read for a little bit

1204
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,880
you know before i'd go to sleep

1205
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,280
and i started to hear some cattle down

1206
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,280
at the end of this little road that he

1207
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,240
lived on

1208
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,480
and they were bawling and cattle don't

1209
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,680
do that in the middle of the night

1210
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,440
unless they're disturbed

1211
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:59,280
and i know that because i've talked to

1212
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,480
hundreds of

1213
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,119
farmers about the crop circles on their

1214
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,520
properties and they always tell me

1215
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,839
about how the animals are disturbed if a

1216
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,440
crop circle has happened

1217
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,440
so immediately i thought to myself oh

1218
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,359
something's getting ready to happen

1219
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,680
it's not normal for the cattle but i was

1220
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,800
tired

1221
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,640
how the hell was it so i went back to

1222
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
reading the cattle shut up

1223
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,119
and i don't know five ten minutes later

1224
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,319
again they started

1225
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:27,119
this time it was raucous balling and i

1226
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,599
knew

1227
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,000
something was getting ready to happen as

1228
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,000
i started to swing my legs out

1229
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,280
of the bed suddenly a tube of light

1230
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:37,359
from my vantage point what is that a

1231
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:38,480
foot and a half

1232
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,240
crashing down

1233
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,520
i mean the force was unbelievable it lit

1234
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,359
up the field i could see a half a mile

1235
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,640
away across that field

1236
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,599
like daylight it lit my room up i wasn't

1237
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:53,280
sure if maybe it wasn't coming in the

1238
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,079
bedroom

1239
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,240
i mean it scared the dickens out of me

1240
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,880
but bam this thing comes down

1241
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,200
and it only lasted a couple seconds and

1242
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,119
then it was gone

1243
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:05,280
and i kind of like damn did i really see

1244
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,319
that or

1245
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:08,560
and before i could really do anything

1246
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,520
another one

1247
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:12,400
womp comes crashing down and then a

1248
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,520
third one

1249
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:16,480
all within seconds of each other yeah by

1250
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,880
now

1251
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,280
robert who's in the kitchen he sees the

1252
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,400
first two

1253
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,400
and he's yelling for me because he wants

1254
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,640
to know if i'm seeing him upstairs

1255
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,640
and he was on his way rushing up the

1256
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,400
stairs to get to me so he didn't see the

1257
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,520
third one

1258
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,359
but he gets to my room and the two of us

1259
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,760
are like oh my god did you just you know

1260
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,440
most dramatic thing either one of us had

1261
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,160
ever seen we went running downstairs the

1262
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,680
whole family's awake now because we're

1263
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,640
yelling

1264
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,800
we get to the back door on the first

1265
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,040
floor and i'm afraid to go out

1266
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,079
the force of those tubes of light

1267
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,800
i mean i just thought uh you get fried

1268
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,200
so robert and i looked up in the sky as

1269
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,200
best we dared we couldn't see a thing up

1270
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,839
there perfectly clear normal sky

1271
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,680
he has a little bit more guts than i he

1272
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,240
stepped out he didn't get fried

1273
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,160
so i grabbed a flashlight and we went

1274
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:06,240
immediately to a fence at the back of

1275
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,720
his

1276
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,760
80-foot long 90-foot long backyard

1277
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,839
and i shone the light over into this

1278
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,359
string bean field

1279
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,160
immediately on the other side and that

1280
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,400
crop circle had formed in the closest

1281
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:20,319
growing crop that it could

1282
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,640
to my bed and not only had it done that

1283
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,680
it had made a perfect ellipse with the

1284
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:28,720
capital letter t

1285
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,910
that's what it did now i couldn't

1286
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,240
believe it and when i saw it i just i

1287
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,640
i was staggered and robert turned to me

1288
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,520
at the fence

1289
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,960
and he said that one was for you

1290
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,200
so be careful what you wish for is part

1291
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,880
of the message here i think

1292
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,760
i mean even seeing that with my own eyes

1293
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,960
it was hard for me

1294
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,160
to absorb what i had seen

1295
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,440
yeah yeah robert sees him all the time

1296
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,440
to him it's not such a big deal but for

1297
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,599
me it was utterly stunning

1298
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:06,079
and there was i mean anybody who even

1299
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,520
vaguely intimates

1300
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,760
that there was a plank or a board

1301
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,280
anywhere in sight

1302
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,920
is nuts we are in southern and rural

1303
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:15,920
southern holland in a village

1304
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,559
in a huge farm field you know these

1305
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,000
people they're they're workers

1306
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,839
they're farmers they do not have time to

1307
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,760
be fooling around with nonsense

1308
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,319
yeah i mean these were light tubes that

1309
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,520
were perfectly

1310
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,559
cylindrical no variation whatsoever

1311
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:33,119
with a spiraling something inside of

1312
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,000
them that both robert

1313
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,640
and i could see wow coming straight down

1314
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:38,160
with the force of

1315
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,000
i it made me think of those 1920 movies

1316
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,280
uh who's charlie chaplin

1317
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,680
and the heroine or somebody would be on

1318
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,599
a train track with their tied down so

1319
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,480
they couldn't move

1320
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,119
and there's a train coming yeah that's

1321
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,200
what it felt like

1322
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,440
to get the hell off those tracks you

1323
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,760
know the force was just

1324
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,520
it's hard to explain and you i don't

1325
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:03,359
think you really can i've never seen

1326
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,079
anything

1327
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,079
i've seen a lightning strike this was

1328
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,000
not a lightning strike yeah

1329
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,839
i mean this thing was incredible and

1330
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,160
then several years later i was with him

1331
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,000
i mean again in holland out in the

1332
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,720
fields one night and

1333
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,880
we had just been down in one field and

1334
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,319
there was nothing there

1335
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,319
and we walked up on the dike next to the

1336
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,720
field and suddenly grabbed my arm and he

1337
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:26,240
turned me around he said look look look

1338
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,359
you see that

1339
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,680
and i looked where he was pointing and i

1340
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:31,920
didn't see the entire thing he saw a

1341
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,400
dark

1342
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:35,040
spiral no light phenomena this time a

1343
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,599
dark

1344
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,520
spiral going right down into that field

1345
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:39,440
where we had just been

1346
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,559
i saw a dark movement

1347
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,480
right at the crop surface i didn't see

1348
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,079
the spiral

1349
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,920
now maybe in my eyes i'm older than he

1350
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:49,520
is you know i don't know maybe i just

1351
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,720
missed the first part

1352
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,440
but we immediately it only took us 10 15

1353
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,680
20 seconds to get into that field

1354
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,760
and as soon as we walked into it you can

1355
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,800
feel it

1356
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:01,359
because the grass was flattened where it

1357
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,480
hadn't been

1358
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,520
so i have been present in two cases

1359
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,359
where these have formed right in front

1360
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,720
of me with

1361
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,280
nary a plank or a board anywhere in

1362
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,280
sight

1363
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,400
this is part one of part two and briefly

1364
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:17,359
can you say what we're going to talk

1365
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,559
about next time and it's going to be

1366
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,319
probably a month or two by the time we

1367
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:21,760
get back together

1368
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,599
yeah the the the science is only part

1369
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,680
of what we know about the crop circles

1370
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,880
there's a lot more

1371
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,280
and in particular i want to talk about

1372
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,800
this young dutchman

1373
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:35,920
robert vandenbroek and the events

1374
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:38,880
which go on around him not only the fact

1375
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,440
that he

1376
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,880
is the only person in the world who

1377
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:42,079
knows when and where they're going to

1378
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:42,960
happen

1379
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,720
but this huge range of other

1380
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,400
things the appearance of

1381
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,559
i mean poltergeist activity out of body

1382
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,200
experiences ufos et's

1383
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,079
the photographs of people who have died

1384
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,640
his ability to read

1385
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,800
to affect random number generators his

1386
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,119
ability all of these things

1387
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,319
which many people at the moment

1388
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,400
think of as individual separate

1389
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
anomalous

1390
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,119
or they even call them paranormal

1391
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,599
phenomena they're not paranormal

1392
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:18,240
they are anomalous we don't understand

1393
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,040
them

1394
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,960
but the evidence seems to me to be

1395
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,160
indicating

1396
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,200
that they are all various as yet unknown

1397
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:27,200
aspects of consciousness

1398
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,119
i can't wait to talk about that and you

1399
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,400
showed me some of the pictures just kind

1400
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,680
of blew me away so

1401
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,079
that'll be our next time and nancy it's

1402
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,680
been absolutely fabulous

1403
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,520
thank you so much thank you for having

1404
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,680
me thank you for listening to our show

1405
00:51:42,910 --> 00:51:41,280
and please remember to check out our

1406
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,920
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1407
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:45,200
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00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,160
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